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onedot: @clacke Not saying you made that up, but peole are going crazy with...

@clacke Not saying you made that up, but peole are going crazy with making up defenitions, and care more about that, than the fact it's free

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot There have been tries to launch other less...

@onedot There have been tries to launch other less ambiguous terms like Libre Software, but for now this is the main one used.

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot...

@onedothttp://www.fsf.org/resources/what-is-fs/index_html/

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onedot: @clacke Then explain why this whole thread started, if it was...

@clacke Then explain why this whole thread started, if it was accepted 20 years ago why is it people still don't understand it? Term > Lang?

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onedot: @clacke And why do you feel the FSF has _the_ defenition that can't...

@clacke And why do you feel the FSF has _the_ defenition that can't be wrong?

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot Well, first of all people here are geeks and...

@onedot Well, first of all people here are geeks and like to argue, but what is being argued is the details of the terms, not general def.

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot The discussion is not whether it only means...

@onedot The discussion is not whether it only means price, but rather, does it only mean the four freedoms as licensed or does it mean more?

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onedot: @clacke The FSF focus seems to be on defenitions and their terms, not...

@clacke The FSF focus seems to be on defenitions and their terms, not about software itself at all. Oh well, not my game, why do i bother.

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot Actually I don't, but their definition is a...

@onedot Actually I don't, but their definition is a good starting point for understanding the cultural context of this thread.

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onedot: @clacke Right, and IMHO Free Software doens't define these terms, it...

@clacke Right, and IMHO Free Software doens't define these terms, it can be anything, and is not black/white.

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot Oh, they produce, this discussion is held...

@onedot Oh, they produce, this discussion is held using software dependent on their work, just they want to define clearly why they do it.

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clackemovedtounlimited: @onedot Hence the discussion.

@onedot Hence the discussion.

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zotz: @lxoliva why not? and if you specified that, post restriction, the...

@lxoliva why not? and if you specified that, post restriction, the license must still be free, even better. but why bother? copyleft it.

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lxoliva: @zotz a FSL must enable distribution so that recipient gets 4...

@zotz a FSL must enable distribution so that recipient gets 4 freedoms. forcing addition of restriction may eventually prevent that

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lxoliva: @zotz it's just a thought experiment

@zotz it's just a thought experiment

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zotz: @lxoliva ah, missed that you wanted to add a new restriction on each...

@lxoliva ah, missed that you wanted to add a new restriction on each derivative. probably tougher. do "stupid" restrictions count?

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bkuhn: @lxoliva, I think that one is easy. A requirement to restrict others...

@lxoliva, I think that one is easy. A requirement to restrict others is not !FaiF in my view. It's undue restriction on freedom 2.

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lxoliva: @bkuhn but it doesn't say you have to enforce the restriction ;-0

@bkuhn but it doesn't say you have to enforce the restriction ;-0

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lxoliva: @bkuhn still, the point of the example is to find the line for...

@bkuhn still, the point of the example is to find the line for licenses that requires narrowing of permissions in some cases

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lxoliva: @bkuhn say, autoconf license is fine, but progressively narrowing...

@bkuhn say, autoconf license is fine, but progressively narrowing perms without crossing the F/nF line isn't?

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